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    Posted: 01 Nov 2019 at 7:10am
I'm considering buying a Coronet Herald lathe at the Harrogate show, and wondered whether anyone has any direct experience of it. From what I've read, it's a great piece of kit and ticks all my boxes - but everything I've read has been from Record Power so I'm wondering whether I might get some independent views here.
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I have two in my teaching workshop and I'm very happy with them. They are light enough looking to not scare a newbie but have a decent capacity and are quite versatile in their set up with the ability to place the headstock anywhere on the bed.
If anyone does go at it too hard and digs in the overcurrent device will kick in and turn off the motor.
The only qualms I've ever seen about these lathes is the ramp up / down times. This is basically how long it takes them to get up to speed, and how long it takes them to stop. In my opinion if this is a worry in your life then you really need to take up Yoga, or Tai Chi, or something.
Andrew Hall will be demonstrating on one at Harrogate if you can get to talk to him.

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Thanks, Neil - that's very reassuring and I'll certainly look out for Andrew Hall. I agree with you re the ramp-up/down times.Smile
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Well I got my hands on one recently as they are now available in Canada. Here's the Video.
https://youtu.be/H6vwN8_60CU
I will be demonstrating it in front of 50+ members of the Golden Horseshoe Woodturners in a few weeks and since the Stockroom video was made have gone back and used the lathe in outboard mode to turn a 16"+ blank.
Some facts.
I don't know of any other lathe on the market that will swing 14" over the bed in this price range (I'm talking Canadian market)
I don't know of any other lathe that will allow belt replacement without removing the spindle or pulley.
The sliding headstock is a unique feature in this size/price range also.
As Neil points out ramp up and down speeds are slow but probably a safety feature.
Tailstock is not good. No self eject and why Oh why do you have to reach around or over to get to the clamp lever? Put the lever under the quill hand wheel where it makes sense.
Another gripe is in the manual they warn against using the indexing head to lock the spindle to remove chuck or faceplate. BUT they do not tell you how it should be done!!!! You will have to watch a 3rd party video to find out!
If I was going to buy one I would order just the basic lathe, no legs or bench brackets or outboard banjo extension. Build my own stand and incorporate my own outboard banjo support.
If you max out at 14" the motor power is adequate but anything larger becomes a slow process, doable yes but light cuts only. You will not be able to hog off wood like I did in the video.
Overall a nice piece of kit but it's trying to be too multi functional.
I like the read out and the ability to pre-dial the speed. The banjo is one of the best I've ever used, but that might be machine specific. How it compares with other lathes available in the UK I can't comment, but over here I think Record will have to re-think a few things. Now they are making bigger versions of this lathe I see they have changed the tailstock, so the Herald might get the newer version some time down the road. They also are saying there is a remote on/off switch available. Highly desirable when sliding the headstock to the far right. However I still can't find it on the web site
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Thanks very much for this, Pete - really useful stuff and for my purposes it looks like the nearest thing to a perfect lathe - certainly ticks all the boxes i'd set up and I've been unable to find anything available in UK that does that at the price and I can fit into my workshop. My current lathe (Record DML18SH) has 250 watts at the spindle and doesn't cope very well if I try to turn the maximum diameter they claim it can handle. I'm hoping that the herald will be a big improvement. I've found the swivel headstock invaluable and wouldn't now consider a lathe without one - hence an awful lot of the competition was eliminated before I even started.
My intention is to pick one up at the Harrogate show in November, and after hearing your conversatons I think I'll add in the remote switch to my shopping list.
Thanks again.
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Here's the listing on their site for the remote emergency stop
https://www.recordpower.co.uk/product/in-line-emergency-stop-switch-for-herald-lathe
Something else they don't mention in the manual is if you hold down the start and reverse button together for a few seconds the lathe will start in reverse and stay in reverse until you do it again and then it will go back to default setting. The default setting is you just hold down the reverse button until it beeps and then it will start in reverse, but when you stop the lathe it defaults to normal forward running. Check out all the videos now popping up on Youtube for a more comprehensive view of this lathes full capability and it's few faults. Glad to hear our Canadian view was of some help
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Well, I bought it - just got it set up yesterday, and turned the outside of the first bowl on it. I'm still relatively new to turning, which inexperience might account for the big impact it made - the difference the extra power makes to the control I have is amazing. My previous (and first) lathe was a Record DML18SH; the power and smoothness of this lathe facilitates fine finishing cuts such as I could never get on the old one.
Looking forward to a lot of happy turning. Smile

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Hi there, I find myself in the same position as Handcrafter. Having looked at both the Axminster 1628 (very heavy and I think very powerful not to say ideal  for what I want) and the Coronet Herald, I am still wondering which way to go. My concern is that I like olive wood and wonder if trying to work with larger logs is going to be a problem. Due to my age (old) I cannot afford to buy the wrong one.
Apparently, catches on the Herald when it stops show an 'error' message. I presume this is because the machine stops to avoid damage. There are also 3 bearings on the Herald which are not sealed for life. How long does a bearing last,, Depending on use obviously. As for the 1628, it is sealed for life.
Also, if anyone is thinking to go for the Herald, look at the trial of the machine on you tube 'John Clothier secret'.
I will come back once I have decided.............and I don't know when that will be yet.
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Pete said what I have been thinking about the tail stock, a retrograde step I feel. I also have access to two heralds for teaching purpose and I find them to be great for that. Bearings do need to be sealed for life in a lthe as they fill with dust otherwise, and no other sealing system will keep it out.
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Still looking at which lathe to buy but it is now a race between just two. at 1628 or Herald. Both very interesting and very different in power, weight, size, etc. Following comments and looking at other users videos has helped tremendously. Of course it is difficult with a tight budget and one cannot afford to get it wrong. But how can one  get it right? well, I am now convinced that like buying anthing, I will never get it perfectly right so will have to accept the majority of points which 'appear' to suit my purposes. I say 'appear' because I will only know after the purchase.

Thank you Pete. One of my worries was how to lock the spindle on the Herald, which apparently is not mentioned in the manual. Searching other videos on you tube I came across the answer. There is a hole in the hand wheel for the spindle and that is where we should slide the knock out bar into. That locks the spindle for chuck removal.
Many thanks for all the comments.
I should (at last!!) be taking my decision once all the suppliers are back at work.
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The best way to be able to remove the chuck is to clean all registering faces before fitting it. Don't over tighten just snip it up and remove after use each time this only takes a minuet but can save a lot more. Visit a club or join they will let you use their lathes

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I agree with Ian, especially the advice of removing the chuck when not in use. as a relative newcomer, get good habits right from the start.
i have looked on Record Power's web site and they say that the indexer is the spindle lock, don't trust it! do as Ian advises and take the chuck off when not in use and you will have no problems
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Originally posted by ron.d ron.d wrote:

I agree with Ian, especially the advice of removing the chuck when not in use. as a relative newcomer, get good habits right from the start.
i have looked on Record Power's web site and they say that the indexer is the spindle lock, don't trust it! do as Ian advises and take the chuck off when not in use and you will have no problems


Strange that as my manuals state that the use of the indexer as a spindle lock voids your guarantee!

I very rarely worry about removing the chuck. The SC4's I use come with a faceplate ring and a screw chuck and I've added a chuck mounting four prong centre to each one to avoid having the possibility of exposed threads and novice turners meeting in any way.
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As Neil says you should not use the indexer for removing a tight chuck I see on some of the new lathes it is no more that a piece of hard wire I can remove my chucks wit a light tap of the hand and if you are worried about damage to the spindle thread us a thread cover .

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Apart from the fact that the link above is flawed I tried to find the Herald myself on the Record Power website and this morning it is showing as discontinued!

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The link was copied and pasted! Now checking the record web site!
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Yes I found yesterday it would not come up and thought it was me .
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Site is definitely up and running and now has the remote switch shown on the front page.
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I brought the discontinued thing up with my local Record dealer and they spoke to them.
The site saw the end of a deal as no longer available, and thus discontinued. It's a glitch they have now put right so shouldn't happen again.
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