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peter george
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Topic: roubo leg vicePosted: 01 Apr 2012 at 9:31am |
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Hi everyone,
somethings gone right for me and I just wanted to share as its a rare event ,Last August I had a bit of a eureka moment whilst I was browsing the Lie Nielsen website,I was looking at the workbench page,I am very keen on the roubo bench and I intend to make one,I have bought Christopher Shwarz book and done my homework.The only problem I have with it is having to bend down all the time to put a pin into the parallel guide so the vice does not rack when you tighten it up,as you will know this would be lots of times,so I have designed a a new leg vice that completely eliminates the need for a parallel guide.
I contacted Deneb Puchalski at LIe-Nielsen toolworks and ran the idea past him, he was very excited about it and asked me if I would draw it,out which I did and after more discussion with him I agreed to send him the drawings,the outcome is that they prototyped it and are now selling it as a hardware only option or as a complete assembly including the chop,I have waited months before posting this as I did not want to compromise any promotion they might be doing on this,I spoke to Deneb on the phone last wednesday and he said it would be fine with them if I disscussed it on forums outlining my involvement with this ,there is a picture of it on their web site on the bench page,I know this is a very small cog in a big wheel but further research revealed that people have been trying to do this since roubo built the bench around 1769 I have seen many weird and wonderful contraptions as I said its a small thing but quite exciting for me, hope I have not bored you all with this
cheers Peter
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Undercut
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 9:41am |
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I also had an idea for a leg-vice that closed without 'racking'. In the end, I decided to opt for a separate, portable vice for dovetailing, and I didn't do much about my idea.
Initially, I saw the problem of the vice needing a board and peg at the bottom, and I just thought about a vice-thread, and a wheel I could operate with my foot. But even that wasn't automatic. Then of course, I realised the solution was staring me in the face. It's probably the only real solution, so I think it's the same as yours Peter. Just wish I was younger, I might have sent my idea further too! Best of luck with it. Cheers. Woodrow Edited by Undercut - 01 May 2012 at 9:43am |
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Turnpike
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 10:04am |
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Is this the page you're talking about Peter? here I can't see from the photo how it works. Can you explain further?
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 2:35pm |
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Well Ray,
That might well be similar to my idea, but I can't see exactly how that particular leg-vice closes and opens perpendicularly. (Is that a word?) There is another solution on YouTube, which is a scissor-bracket under the screw, between the vice sides. It works very well too. The problem again though, is that there isn't a lot of 'drop-space' below the vice jaws whatever method used. The screw is going to get in the way, and there is a limit for how high the vice can be, above the screw, without flexure. My solution would look very much like the one you linked me too. Just think of a Veritas twin-screw vice placed vertically against the bench leg. Yes? That isn't exactly how it would look, but the mechanism for keeping the jaws and the bottom of the vice parallel, would be the same as used in the Veritas for keeping that parallel just by moving one screw. But as I said, I think I am going for a wide, portable twin-screw vice that cramps to the bench just for dovetailing; with a Paramo Quick-release for normal work. (No tail vice for me.) Cheers WL |
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peter george
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 9:57pm |
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Hi guys,
it really is very simple.it is a vertical chain vice with aspecially designed bracket that goes through the leg,top and bottom screws turn simultaneously so no timing issues,Lie-Nielsen assure me it works perfectly,I did wonder if it might have been of interest to FW as a story but I am unsure about contacting Derek or anyone in case they think its a none event,and whats a big deal to me might not be to anyone who is not as nuts as me about benches and I don't want to embarrass myself,but hey thanks for your interest guys you made my day,by the way I did not make a bundle I only asked for some tools and I am still waiting for them getting a bit worried now ah well,thanks again
cheers Peter
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Posted: 11 May 2012 at 4:13pm |
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Yep... As I thought. Like a Veritas twin screw vice, mounted vertically.
I thought I'd had a great idea. It's a good job I didn't try to patent it. Now, as I did think of it, independently, and before I saw the LN vice, I'll make myself one. Where can I get two old bikes and a new chain! ![]() Regards Wl ![]() |
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Derek Jones
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Posted: 11 May 2012 at 5:40pm |
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Hi Peter
It's a great story and thanks for sharing it with us. Just for the record there's no such thing as a daft idea as far as I'm concerned if it solves a problem, so don't let that prevent you or any of the members from picking up the phone. I still think this has got legs (lousy pun sorry) if you are able to show the full fitting process in a sequence of easy to follow steps. Can't promise to make you a star or a small fortune but happy to put your name in print. All the best Derek |
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peter george
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Posted: 11 May 2012 at 11:21pm |
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Hi Derek, thank you for your kind reply ,I will phone you if thats ok,what would be the best number and time to call?
cheers Peter
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peter george
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Posted: 11 May 2012 at 11:38pm |
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Hi woodrow,
thank you for your interest it is much appreciated,one thing I noted is you said you would have taken your idea further if you had been younger,well if you have a good idea the sooner you tell people about it the sooner they will be getting the benefit of it,age is not a barrier to innovation,I can say this as I will be 60 in June ,ok I am very active and pretty fit but I can say hand on heart if I was 90 I would do the same and while I have a breath left in me I will indulge in this wonderful craft we share I do not know your age but I hope you are still making, and like me striving for elusive perfection take care
Peter
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Posted: 13 May 2012 at 10:33am |
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I agree about the 'daft idea' philosophy. No matter how hare-brained things seem, if they do a job, then fair goes!
Peter, you are but a chicken, but your outlook is the same as mine. I do try. But try getting a book published these days! Fine, until they find out I am well past my three-score and ten! Then they do the figures and realise they haven't much time to make money with me! Ageism is alive and well, sadly. I do like the idea for the leg vice though. It's removed the one problem I had with it. stooping down to adjust the board at the base. Hence my idea (Virtually the same as yours) to get a couple of sprockets, a bike chain and fix them to two screws. It will serve me personally, so that's the main thing. Onward and upward; no intention of giving up woodworking. I almost forgot... I attained perfection a few years ago. I am seeking higher levels now! Ever the optimist! All the Best Woodrow
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